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		<title>By: Greenpeace Urges Obama to Earn Peace Prize with Decisiveness in Copenhagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpeace Urges Obama to Earn Peace Prize with Decisiveness in Copenhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Impolite, Norwegians Conclude2009/11/28 -- China and India Say No On the Environment 2009/11/21 -- Greenpeace and Kumi Naidoo, Changing the World2009/11/04 -- Why Big Bird Cried Accepting Google Doodle Award2009/10/14 -- Global Warming Debate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wes Hammond</title>
		<link>http://www.pamil-visions.net/greenpeace-kumi-naidoo/28312/comment-page-1/#comment-5607</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those Greenpeace ads are a bit pretentious on one hand, but then again, to have effective advertising sometimes you gotta make some waves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those Greenpeace ads are a bit pretentious on one hand, but then again, to have effective advertising sometimes you gotta make some waves</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right of course Steve, we cannot afford &quot;tainted&quot; research as you say. The credibility issue is a viable one. I think the term Global Warming is used incorrectly sometimes. For me, it refers to climate change, in this most recent case, the undue warming of the atmosphere and etc. I believe the far reaching effects could go either way, to cooling or warming. Either way, we have to address these things now. I suggested Greenpeace as a conduit for some of the change needed. We have to get behind people who are dedicated rather than standing on our individual stumps and hollering arguments. This is all I am saying. As you can tell, I am pretty damned frustrated at all the rhetoric opposed to taking serious action. :) Sorry, just been watching this a long time. I do not have the answers, but I know big business does not offer them - ever. 

Always, 
Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right of course Steve, we cannot afford &#8220;tainted&#8221; research as you say. The credibility issue is a viable one. I think the term Global Warming is used incorrectly sometimes. For me, it refers to climate change, in this most recent case, the undue warming of the atmosphere and etc. I believe the far reaching effects could go either way, to cooling or warming. Either way, we have to address these things now. I suggested Greenpeace as a conduit for some of the change needed. We have to get behind people who are dedicated rather than standing on our individual stumps and hollering arguments. This is all I am saying. As you can tell, I am pretty damned frustrated at all the rhetoric opposed to taking serious action. <img src='http://www.pamil-visions.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sorry, just been watching this a long time. I do not have the answers, but I know big business does not offer them &#8211; ever. </p>
<p>Always,<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: HMTKSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>HMTKSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, careful with that big brush. I did not say I do not believe in &#039;global climate change&#039; I said &#039;global warming&#039;. Big difference.

You also did not address my question about so-called tainted research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, careful with that big brush. I did not say I do not believe in &#8216;global climate change&#8217; I said &#8216;global warming&#8217;. Big difference.</p>
<p>You also did not address my question about so-called tainted research.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve, I agree, I think those melting ice caps are some sort of government conspiracy to get us to buy Honda&#039;s instead of Chevys. All those rainforrests can really disappear and it won&#039;t make any difference, they are just trees. The oceans can heat to boiling and it won&#039;t be our fault, we are only human. My logic also tells me that the world can support unlimited human beings, driving steamboats powered by coal and it won&#039;t matter, it is a big world. Any all those scientists who measure this stuff? Well, they are government conspirators too. Somewhere, in a compound deep under Antarctica, these people are hatching a plan to.... to.... Oh yeah, to clean up an already silvery slick and pristine world. Heck Steve, everyone should know fish wont run out, there are zillions of them, air is plentiful, all those coal burners in China won&#039;t hurt that, radiation wont hard humans, let&#039;s build 500,000 nuclear reactors to heat water. 

Tongue in cheek of course my old friend, but not meant to be TOO smart-ass. Thinking that we live in some infinite world where all the crap we throw at it has no effect is tantamount to burying one&#039;s head in the sand and whimpering; &quot;there&#039;s no place like home.&quot; Sure there are those who would take advantage of these situations and blow them out of proportion. But, as a geographer who has been here over half a Century, you should look out your window through my eyes. We all live in little cubicles where everything seems fine, if we want it to. The fact is however, the big cubicle we actually live in is very cluttered and damaged. We just cannot see the other side of it. People&#039;s mental maps of their existence can be quite small. I learned this in doing research dealing with sustainability, urban development, and other geographical studies. 

Basically, 9 out of 10 people do not even know enough about the world (other than it is round and big) to make any kind of quantitative analysis of these things. I cannot convince you Steve, you are a super intelligent person with valid questions - but also enbued with a false sense of these things for some reason - or at least I perceive that. I do not say this in criticism, many scientists believe as you do. The problem is, it does not make sense. Water is running out, oil is running out, trees are running out, fish and other wildlife are running out, the ozone has holes in it the size of Texas, in the Pacific their is an Island the size of Texas made of Styrofoam, 40 percent of more of the farm land in the US is dangerously damaged, China has almost 2 billion people and 3 or 4 percent arable land, India is on the threshold of dieing of thirst and hunger if the water table does not improve. I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.................but still people would persist in an argument to achieve what? 

Doing exactly what the freaking hell we have been doing for 100,000 years, that&#039;s what. I know, let&#039;s just ignore every problem, wait 50 years, then bend over and kiss our own asses goodbye! The Earth is a very large anthill. With some nasty, untidy, hungry, greedy little ants on it. Unfortunately for us ants called human beings, there are no places we can simply move our nest to any more. We have acted like a roving band of lunatics these last 100 years. We have been led by Queen ants with the far reaching intellect of amoeba, either that or having been so power hungry they could care less. 

And now, at the advent of a paradigm shift for humanity (not just environmentally but economically) people still want to argue with the garbage collectors. &quot;NO, don&#039;t remove my garbage from the curb! It will cost me money, and I am afraid you have some other devious plan for it!&quot; This all reminds me of some googley eyed mad scientists running out of their labs to do just that. Think of it, Einstein wanna bees rushing headlong to the curb to rescue a crumpled note from the sanitation engineer in his neighborhood. 

Hell, I need to write a post about this. I do not want my old friend to think I am picking on him. I am just sick of this wasted time, when doing what is right is in our face. What the hell is it going to hurt to find alternative fuels? How does humanity improve its condition, by continuing as we have? One thing is certain, without smart people like you on the side of any green movement, it is doomed to fail. Just like everything else is failing. People can know for a relative certainty that Wall Street robbed everyone on the planet, and just do nothing about it. This is what some expect us to do, nothing. 

Always, 
Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve, I agree, I think those melting ice caps are some sort of government conspiracy to get us to buy Honda&#8217;s instead of Chevys. All those rainforrests can really disappear and it won&#8217;t make any difference, they are just trees. The oceans can heat to boiling and it won&#8217;t be our fault, we are only human. My logic also tells me that the world can support unlimited human beings, driving steamboats powered by coal and it won&#8217;t matter, it is a big world. Any all those scientists who measure this stuff? Well, they are government conspirators too. Somewhere, in a compound deep under Antarctica, these people are hatching a plan to&#8230;. to&#8230;. Oh yeah, to clean up an already silvery slick and pristine world. Heck Steve, everyone should know fish wont run out, there are zillions of them, air is plentiful, all those coal burners in China won&#8217;t hurt that, radiation wont hard humans, let&#8217;s build 500,000 nuclear reactors to heat water. </p>
<p>Tongue in cheek of course my old friend, but not meant to be TOO smart-ass. Thinking that we live in some infinite world where all the crap we throw at it has no effect is tantamount to burying one&#8217;s head in the sand and whimpering; &#8220;there&#8217;s no place like home.&#8221; Sure there are those who would take advantage of these situations and blow them out of proportion. But, as a geographer who has been here over half a Century, you should look out your window through my eyes. We all live in little cubicles where everything seems fine, if we want it to. The fact is however, the big cubicle we actually live in is very cluttered and damaged. We just cannot see the other side of it. People&#8217;s mental maps of their existence can be quite small. I learned this in doing research dealing with sustainability, urban development, and other geographical studies. </p>
<p>Basically, 9 out of 10 people do not even know enough about the world (other than it is round and big) to make any kind of quantitative analysis of these things. I cannot convince you Steve, you are a super intelligent person with valid questions &#8211; but also enbued with a false sense of these things for some reason &#8211; or at least I perceive that. I do not say this in criticism, many scientists believe as you do. The problem is, it does not make sense. Water is running out, oil is running out, trees are running out, fish and other wildlife are running out, the ozone has holes in it the size of Texas, in the Pacific their is an Island the size of Texas made of Styrofoam, 40 percent of more of the farm land in the US is dangerously damaged, China has almost 2 billion people and 3 or 4 percent arable land, India is on the threshold of dieing of thirst and hunger if the water table does not improve. I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..but still people would persist in an argument to achieve what? </p>
<p>Doing exactly what the freaking hell we have been doing for 100,000 years, that&#8217;s what. I know, let&#8217;s just ignore every problem, wait 50 years, then bend over and kiss our own asses goodbye! The Earth is a very large anthill. With some nasty, untidy, hungry, greedy little ants on it. Unfortunately for us ants called human beings, there are no places we can simply move our nest to any more. We have acted like a roving band of lunatics these last 100 years. We have been led by Queen ants with the far reaching intellect of amoeba, either that or having been so power hungry they could care less. </p>
<p>And now, at the advent of a paradigm shift for humanity (not just environmentally but economically) people still want to argue with the garbage collectors. &#8220;NO, don&#8217;t remove my garbage from the curb! It will cost me money, and I am afraid you have some other devious plan for it!&#8221; This all reminds me of some googley eyed mad scientists running out of their labs to do just that. Think of it, Einstein wanna bees rushing headlong to the curb to rescue a crumpled note from the sanitation engineer in his neighborhood. </p>
<p>Hell, I need to write a post about this. I do not want my old friend to think I am picking on him. I am just sick of this wasted time, when doing what is right is in our face. What the hell is it going to hurt to find alternative fuels? How does humanity improve its condition, by continuing as we have? One thing is certain, without smart people like you on the side of any green movement, it is doomed to fail. Just like everything else is failing. People can know for a relative certainty that Wall Street robbed everyone on the planet, and just do nothing about it. This is what some expect us to do, nothing. </p>
<p>Always,<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: HMTKSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>HMTKSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still not buying the whole global Warming myth. 

Why is it that GWA discount any research that is funded in part by big energy yet research funded by &#039;big green&#039; is not similarly seen as being tainted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still not buying the whole global Warming myth. </p>
<p>Why is it that GWA discount any research that is funded in part by big energy yet research funded by &#8216;big green&#8217; is not similarly seen as being tainted?</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;sustainable world&quot; will come when all ignorant &#039;green&#039; people commit suicide. Stupid greeners just get worse and worse. Our &quot;most critical problems&quot; come from the naive TV worshippers who follow the likes of Al Gore.
 
Follow this link &quot;for positive and correct change.&quot;
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;sustainable world&#8221; will come when all ignorant &#8216;green&#8217; people commit suicide. Stupid greeners just get worse and worse. Our &#8220;most critical problems&#8221; come from the naive TV worshippers who follow the likes of Al Gore.</p>
<p>Follow this link &#8220;for positive and correct change.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/</a></p>
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